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    What is a good discipline to partake in to get good hand to hand skills ?

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      Hey CactusManAZ,

      A very common question to which you'll get a lot of different answers. Like the question, "what is the best home defense gun," the answer really depends on different factors. For example, to name a few:
      • How much time are you willing to dedicate to hand to hand training?
        • If you don't have a lot of time, you might want to keep things as simple as possible and choose a discipline like Western Boxing (this is a general statement, as there are more factors to consider).
      • What is the availability of instruction in your area, and the quality of instruction?
        • Let's say Muay Thai seems like the best fit. If you do not have any good Muay Thai instructors in your area, then you're kind of out of luck.
      • What country / city do you live in?
        • The world is a big place, i.e. what might work really well in one country/city might get you killed in another. For example, many fights in third world countries I've been to are hardly ever one-on-one and weapons are usually involved, e.g. knives, ice picks, screwdrivers, machetes, bats, and of course, guns. I've seen all of these used regularly. In these situations, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for example, might not be ideal.
      • How old are you? Are you in good, physical shape? Do you have injuries?
        • Some styles are very demanding and your body will take a beating. Some arts are a little more 'user-friendly.'
      Ideally, you'll want to train in multiple disciplines, and take what works for you and your situation.

      Generally, my very broad recommendation to people in the U.S. who want to get involved is to train in Western Boxing and Greco Roman wrestling. This assumes we are just dealing with hand-to-hand confrontations. In my opinion, both are easy to learn compared to more comprehensive systems, and are highly effective.

      Many fights do go to the ground at some point, but it doesn't mean they have to stay there and that you need to grapple as one would in a BJJ sparring session--this is a topic I can discuss further, especially to address all our members who are really into ground fighting, but I just don't have the time right now. (FYI, I love MMA and BJJ, and got my black belt in the early 2000s. So I'm not a stranger to it and I'm not implying BJJ is ineffective.)

      Hand to hand fights come in many forms/types, and it's impossible to go over everything in this post. But based on conflicts out of social aggression, in my experience, Boxing and Greco Roman wrestling can take you very far. Remember, most people are not well trained. Now, if you're unfamiliar wit social aggression vs. asocial violence, I recommend you read this for some background info: https://www.artofmanliness.com/artic...cial-violence/

      To be honest, I didn't read that particular article, but I'm assuming it covers what I understand, too, about violence and fights. In a nutshell, social aggression is what people see most of the time were one person shouts and pushes someone for everyone to see, and this can go back and forth for a while before a fight really breaks out. Asocial violence, well, real killers usually just kill. They don't need to talk, show off, or prove anything. Of course, social aggression can lead to an asocial violent situation. Anyway, hopefully the post gives you a good explanation of the two.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Myles View Post
        Hey CactusManAZ,

        A very common question to which you'll get a lot of different answers. Like the question, "what is the best home defense gun," the answer really depends on different factors. For example, to name a few: . . . . .
        Well, that says it all, and really gets to the heart of things in just a few short paragraphs! (Nicely said!)

        The referenced article (https://www.artofmanliness.com/artic...cial-violence/) is also well worth reading! Here are a few choice tidbits:

        "Social aggression is about competition; asocial violence is about destruction. Competition has rules; destruction has none."

        "Asocial violence, on the other hand, is brutally streamlined. It’s quiet. It happens suddenly and unmistakably."

        "Negotiating with a serial killer is like arguing with a bullet. If it’s coming your way, words won’t deflect it."

        Personally, I would have stated the latter remark in slightly different words as, "Attempting to negotiate with a serial killer is like trying to argue with a bullet—Neither one is going to stop to listen; and both will straightforwardly kill you the very moment the first opportunity presents itself."
        ‘L‘Enfer C’est Les Autres, Et Les Choses Terribles Qu’ils Font!’

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